Mike Robinson: "We`re going to start off [with] Don`t let the Weather get you Down...because it is world book day. We know that totalitarian regimes in the past don`t like books much but we`re going to celebrate World Book Day. We know they don`t like them in the past because what they tend to do is to burn them. This is a form of censorship of course. "
Brian Gerrish: "We don`t want any dissenting voices. The government don`t want to be challenged in any way. The government doesn`t want to have to explain its policies. It doesn`t want to produce evidence. So I think there`s a number of issues under the surface here and we`ll say also the fact that this is happening I think is a very good sign because it shows that simple `people power`, people putting out accurate material over the internet is now frightening the government and this is the backlash. So we can see them more clearly."
Mike Robinson. "Yeah. It`s not just individual accounts either, obviously. Richie Allen`s account recently has been taken down on Youtube; other alternative media accounts in the last few days: Alex Jones is even under attack as well. So this has become quite a broad problem. So if you want to find this interview now it is with Bitchute which is a Youtube alternative and the url is at the top there if you want to go and listen to that interview. If you haven`t heard it yet, we do suggest you listen to it."
Brian Gerrish. "We certainly do. Now I`m going to attempt in the short time available to take people through what`s been happening in the John Wedger case. It`s clearly hotting up and yesterday afternoon I took some extraordinary calls from media people responding from the establishment about the John Wedger case."
"This was the original BBC 3 Counties radio screenshot that was taken down, but Andy Collins was the main interviewer for John Wedger. And let`s remember that police whistleblower John Wedger also had alongside him in that interview former police lady Maggie Oliver and one of the key things that comes forward is she`s saying, `Yes the bullying, the threats, the intimidation that John`s suffered, I`ve suffered as well. This is the pattern.` ... We know that not one, but two - and there`s a lot more police officers come forward talking about what is really happening: the fraud, the corruption, the lies, the intimidation, the covering-up of child abuse - what do we see the state do? Well it starts to censor people reporting this information."
"Now key to the report for me was this gentleman, Mike Penning, former Policing Minister and I`m going to say brave enough to stand up alongside John Wedger to be counted. He also joined John on part of a very cold section of the walk from London to Manchester but this is what he said during the interview: `I handed the whole file [that`s the John Wedger and child abuse file] to the Home Office and it vanished... there are some strange things happening here...[and then he goes on to talk about whistleblowers as being bullied and warned off] there are other officers saying identical things... the minute they come forward they accuse [these]people of a breach of data... for the police this has a prison sentence attached to it..."
"So here we have not just an MP but former Minister for Policing. [He] puts in a file to the Home Office which is about John Wedger`s case - John Wedger saying that the police covered up the abuse and deaths of children with the help of the establishment and local authorities and charities; and that file disappears."
"Now we`d emailed the Home Office," says Brian Gerrish, "Asking them questions about this. Yesterday afternoon they came back, unbelievably aggressive. They said that `Mike Penning MP gave the report to his Home Office Civil Servants.` The inference here is that because he was Policing Minister, he`s automatically got a role in the Home Office. So the Home Office media spokesperson said that basically he gave the report to his civil servants. So I said `No, Mr Penning gave the report to the Home Office for action.` And then I had to ask: `So when Mr Penning gave the report to the Home Office and says the report vanished he was confused as to what he did with his own report?` At this point the media spokesperson got quite evasive. He later became, in my opinion, aggressive but then something was said that was interesting: that `the Home Office can`t intervene in policing matters. The report went to the IPCC`. That`s what I think he said to me."
"So one minute this report [has] vanished. [The next] No that`s an MP that`s confused. Then the Home Office is saying, `OK that report; we can`t possibly get involved in a policing matter. It was passed through to the IPCC`."
Mike Robinson: "Doesn`t the Home Office have responsibility for policing in this country?"
Brian Gerrish. "The Home Office has responsibility for policing and of course the Home Office directly under Theresa May, as Prime Minister, says that one of [her] primary goals is to deal with child abuse; except when evidence is put forward where a file vanishes. Quite remarkable. So how did it go on? Well here we sent an email to Her Majesty`s Inspectorate of Constabulary, Fire and Rescue Service and we essentially asked some key points."
These questions followed the watchdog`s report in which they found `significant weaknesses in Met police child protection probes. Inspectors reviewed a sample of 214 cases and rated 191, or 89%, as either `requiring improvement`, or `inadequate.`
Brian Gerrish wrote to them and said: ... "I would like a written response to the following questions:"
"1. Can HMICFRS please confirm that during their latest inspection they [were] fully aware of the appalling treatment of Det Constable Wedger and that HMICFRS took on board his evidence as to the abuse of power within the MET to silence his personal testimony and whistleblowing of the cover-up of child abuse by the MET, Local Authorities, Charities and Children`s Homes?"
"2. If HMICFRS were not aware of Mr Wedger`s testimony, why were they not made aware of this case by the MET police?"
"3. And finally, now being fully appraised of Mr Wedger`s testimony what action will Mr Matt Parr take to address Mr Wedger`s evidence in light of the findings of HMICFRS`s current report?"
"So this is what they came back with. It says:"
"`For our national child protection inspection programme, we follow a set methodology which is the same for all forces. This looks at every stage of contact a child has with the police, and includes examining the experiences of children detained in custody. HMICFRS was aware of John Wedger`s testimony due to what was reported in the public domain. However, this case was not considered as part of this inspection, given the specifics of our methodology. Our Metropolitan Police Service child protection inspection report and subsequent follow-up reviews provide a robust and in-depth analysis of the force`s performance, and where improvements are needed. HMICFRS continues to closely monitor the Met`s performance in the area`."
Bran Gerrish. "So they claim that they did a robust investigation by not looking at the evidence."
Mike Robinson. "This is a staggering statement... So what they`re saying is - correct me if I`m wrong here - what they seem to be saying is that they look at the Met`s treatment of children detained in custody... and because John Wedger was making allegations of investigations which weren`t being carried out, therefore no children being brought into police custody, no children being interviewed by the police, they said that`s outside the remit of their investigation. So how are they supposed to inspect the constabulary and find out if the constabulary is doing its job or not, if they don`t look at allegations of the constabulary not doing its job?"
Brian Gerrish. "Turn it on its head Mike; and that is by not looking at the evidence you are not really examining what the police are up to; and that is what your real job is. So these are the words from that organisation themselves. I`ve put another challenge into them today because, as we get the response from the Home Office, as we get the response from HMICFRS; and we`re now going to go on to one more - we can see that the evidence is before us... there`s a picture forming. "
"Now what is that picture ? It could be simply of incompetence that John Wedger`s file had been lost. But I think that when you put these very devious and carefully constructed media team reports together you can start to smell that something is very wrong here. So let`s come on to the next one. This is the UK Column email to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC)."
Mike Robinson steps in to mention that the IOPC is the replacement for the IPCC.
Brian Gerrish. "Yeah this one is the replacement."
Mike Robinson. "So this is the organisation that the Home Office claims has been the ultimate recipient of John Wedger`s file?"
Brian Gerrish. "Yes, it would appear so Mike."
"So we gave them a reminder of the BBC 3 Counties radio [programme] and asked for the boss Mr Lockwood. `Could he confirm that IOPC did make the statement there` s no evidence to back up John Wedger`s testimony? ` Secondly, `Could he confirm that a significant number of staff left their posts before the investigation was completed?` and then thirdly, `In the same BBC interview former Policing Minister Mike Penning MP said he`d handed a file on John Wedger - and I`ve added wider child abuse issues because I believe that`s in the report - to senior civil servants in the Home Office and it vanished. That being the case could Mr Lockwood confirm that he was made aware of the content of Mr Penning`s file by the Home Office at the time of IOPC`s investigation into the child abuse cover-up allegations by former MET policeman John Wedger?`"
"So I wanted to know whether IOPC had that file. Let`s have a look at their response."
"Here we go. They said `Dear Mr Gerrish, While you are not a member of the media I am replying to you directly rather than forward your query so that it`s dealt with quickly. I`m aware that you previously interviewed Mr Wedger on your Youtube channel. In relation to the points you raised I can confirm that we supplied the following statement to BBC 3 Counties radio."
"l. The IOPC discontinued an investigation into the actions of Metropolitan police officers in relation to allegations of conspiracy and cover-up in historical child abuse allegations made by a serving Metropolitan police officer. The investigation found a lack of evidence to support the allegations."
"2. Only one member of IOPC left the investigation handling Mr Wedger`s case before completion. While staff leaving investigations is never ideal, turnover is natural within a large organisation, and there was consistent oversight of the investigation by a single member of staff throughout."
"3. We were aware of a file but it related to internal disciplinary issues within the MPS in relation to DC Wedger."
"So we get an interesting picture here. This file which had disappeared they seem to know was just containing disciplinary stuff. How does this work Mike?"
"Did they see it or did they not see it?" asks Mike Robinson.
"I don`t know. So I had an interesting conversation with him. Let`s take you through a summarised version. This was with their media man David Carnell."
"I pointed out that the IOPC had used a cheap opening which is to say to me `You`re not a proper journalist, so we don`t normally bother with people like you, but on this occasion we`re going to give you a reply."
"I said: ...`How were you aware of a file that had been lost?`- Mike Penning had said the file was lost - so I pointed out to them they were seemingly aware of a file that had been lost. "
"IOPC: `Because Det Constable John Wedger told us about it`."
"So I said: `But you don`t believe a word John Wedger says because you found there`s no evidence to support his allegations `."
"IOPC: `John Wedger told us about the report.`"
"`But the report came from a former Policing Minister Mike Penning MP - did you see the report?`"
"IOPC: `No.` "
"Has the Director General Michael Lockwood seen my email?"
"IOPC: `No I am giving you the answer - do you think all media enquiries are seen by senior managers?` "
"Will you pass my email to Michael Lockwood?"
"The answer was: `Essentially no.` And this man became really - well in my opinion he became hostile. So we now know that when I sent in an email actually saying to the main person `we need some answers here` I get an answer from what is actually the junior media person if you look at this man`s background. And he says he is giving me the answer. So now we`ve got a system of government around policing and child abuse, one of the most critical areas of the constitution, where the answer doesn`t come from the appointed Civil Service, it comes from some media person who has now assumed responsibility for answering questions."
Mike Robinson: "Why didn`t you get a written response?"
Brian Gerrish: "Well I did get the email response, but I didn`t get a formal response from the man I asked which was the boss. I went to the boss. So I`ve now asked that my original email and questions [go] through to that gentleman and we will see whether they are passed through but now of course the thing to do is to write directly in person recorded delivery."
"If you want to have a look at the individual you can see him here on LinkedIn but of course he`s saying that part of his job is handling advice to senior management and drafting lines. This word `line` for me is a newspeak term. It means opaqueness. It means blurring the boundaries . Putting out a line. You`re not saying it`s the truth; you`re not saying it`s accurate; it`s just` our line`. "
"So there we are, as a result of John Wedger standing up to say that the Metropolitan Police helped cover up the abuse of children that was also supported by MPs, local authorities and some children`s charities; despite other police officers supporting what he says, what we`ve got is confusion amongst the Home Office and policing system. I think it`s pretty obvious what is going on."